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100% CL - benefits and drawbacks
Posted: October 31st, 2012, 3:52 pm
by mituc
What are the benefits and drawbacks of a 100% closed loop tune apart from having the LTFT's active all the time and having no transitions between the two states?
Re: 100% CL - benefits and drawbacks
Posted: November 1st, 2012, 5:54 pm
by mituc
Ok, I;ve got my questions answered here:
http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/forum/f9/100-cl-129006/
Maybe someone else is interested.
Re: 100% CL - benefits and drawbacks
Posted: November 2nd, 2012, 4:01 am
by YuraL
I had a rich mixture (<0.75) when starting feed meth in OL.
With FTCL my Actual AFR always equal Desired AFR.
But I can not increase CL/OL Load Threshold greater than 2.0. So I have OL when load > 2.0.

Re: 100% CL - benefits and drawbacks
Posted: November 2nd, 2012, 8:58 am
by mituc
Hey Yura!
Indeed, that was their point as well, to use full time CL only when messing with random mixtures of meth or ethanol.
It's probably just a matter of time until the Versatuner crew will release a version that will raise the CL-to-OL threshold from maximum 2 to, say, 4.
Re: 100% CL - benefits and drawbacks
Posted: November 2nd, 2012, 6:49 pm
by Steve @ VersaTune
I believe that if you set CL OL APP Threshold 5 to 100% it will never go OL as the APP will never exceed 100%.
Re: 100% CL - benefits and drawbacks
Posted: November 3rd, 2012, 12:41 am
by mituc
Indeed, but there's also a load threshold which cannot be set higher than 2 in versatuner. And whichever condition is met first will make the ECU decide to go OL.
Re: 100% CL - benefits and drawbacks
Posted: November 3rd, 2012, 8:54 am
by Steve @ VersaTune
try that APP table.
Re: 100% CL - benefits and drawbacks
Posted: November 3rd, 2012, 7:13 pm
by mituc
My tune already has all the values in that APP table set to 100%. However, the load threshold is set to 1 so whenever load exceeds 1 the ECU transitions to OL. I guess same thing will happen at load 2.
Re: 100% CL - benefits and drawbacks
Posted: November 3rd, 2012, 10:21 pm
by Steve @ VersaTune
I saw someone else (can't remember who right now) that was CL at WOT from setting that table to 100%. Maybe they were under 2.0 load. I'll be sure to raise the load limit on the OL/CL load tables in the next release.
Re: 100% CL - benefits and drawbacks
Posted: November 12th, 2012, 4:49 am
by boloteo
Hello,
I have a question about 100%cl ,if we manage to make it work then we will have only to make the cl maf cal??
So all the ol tables will be useless??
Is that correct or i`m missing something....