hard time tuning 272/278 cams

[bambam787]

Alright I've been tunning Mazdaspeeds for a few years now and being very successful, most builds have been typical full bolt ons, built bottom end some CS cams, done big turbos and aux fueling. most tuning range from stock to about 525 nothing higher since the average person dont have the mods to go higher but lots of FBO stock fueling.
my build its pretty much fully build ill get a list together but being having a bit of a hard time close loop finding the timing cams like, stock tables dont help, its been liking alot more timing bottom end but barely anything top end compare to other tunes and in between just having a hard time in general making it happy.
anyone have a table similar with this cams, since we can only flash is a bit impossible finding true Ignition MBT for close loop area cruising driving...feels sluggish and anything above 4k goes crazy acceleration aggressively just wants it all fi you know what i mean.
also vvt at 0 since not sure my limits there with this cams
also idle sometimes likes it sometimes it surges

wiseco pistons 88
h beams
625 headstuds
arp bottom studs
fully balance n blue print rotating assembly including clutch
key crank
top mount 5858
hood exit
P&P head 5 angle , behive springs, kelford c2 272/278 all the goodies
W16 intake mani, 72mm throttle, 4 inch fmic, exteral oil cooler
2200cc 8 port
e50 main tank full e85 on fuel cell that feeds top injectors
....thats the main stufff and of course all the lil things to support it.

[mituc]

Post a log with normal driving and the car feeling sluggish. Also an idle log.
What intake are you using? Did you tune the MAF calibration to account for the cams or you did it via the VE?

[bambam787]

what do you mean to "account" for cams ? and 4 inch intake
i did my maf cal like i ussually do, keep stft usually around 3% ltft 5...adjusting maf cal graph and make sure my desire and actual afr match in open loop
also its a Gen 1MPS so no VE tables...will get does 2 logs later today

just gets me wild...everyone i tune flawless lol when it comes to mine maybe im overthinking it. idk

[mituc]

also its a Gen 1MPS so no VE tables...

Well, it does
Ok, post some logs, we will take it from there.

[bambam787]

also its a Gen 1MPS so no VE tables...

Well, it does
Ok, post some logs, we will take it from there.

Nvm, you are correct there is VE tables my mistake, i guess never played with them on mine particularly