Can't get 2,000-3,000 rpm range to enrichen!

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hufflepuff
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Can't get 2,000-3,000 rpm range to enrichen!

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My AFRs from 3,000-9,3000 rpms are looking decent, but i keep trying to enrichen the AFR tables in the 2,000-3,000 but it seems to have no effect. any hints on richening up the 2,000-3,000 rpm range? I'd like to see 13.3 AFR / 0.90 lambda.

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Re: Can't get 2,000-3,000 rpm range to enrichen!

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Also, all three of the charts below are with the same tune, yet the AFRs between 2,000-5,500 seem to be very inconsistent in terms of enrichment. it honestly looks like sometimes the ECU is trying to target 0.95 lambda, and other times it suddenly drops to the values more consistent with my AFR tables.
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mituc
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Re: Can't get 2,000-3,000 rpm range to enrichen!

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Up to 0.625 load you are targeting stoich. Would you mind posting the actual logs? These graphs are not readable unless you know what was logged, the only thing that I can make full sense of is the RPM really...

P.S.: I am no a rotary specialist, but are you trying to blow that engine up? It's pretty clear from the AFR and known retard tables...
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Re: Can't get 2,000-3,000 rpm range to enrichen!

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Apologies for the delayed response. sure, i attached four logs that show inconsistent / weird fueling from 2,000 to various RPMs
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hufflepuff
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Re: Can't get 2,000-3,000 rpm range to enrichen!

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Do you all think load limit unknown might be playing some time-dependent role in fueling below 6,000 rpms?
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Re: Can't get 2,000-3,000 rpm range to enrichen!

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I do not think so, but you can always change it and reflash your car to try it out.
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Built engine + WMI + GTX3071 gen2, ~550BHP @35PSI
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Re: Can't get 2,000-3,000 rpm range to enrichen!

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There is another table that is maximum load limits for closed loop... those were set quite high in the lower RPM ranges, seems like a promising option to explore. will report back!
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Re: Can't get 2,000-3,000 rpm range to enrichen!

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That is supposed to set the limits based on load for commuting from closed loop to open loop.
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Built engine + WMI + GTX3071 gen2, ~550BHP @35PSI
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Re: Can't get 2,000-3,000 rpm range to enrichen!

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i'm going to try enrichening the acceleration enrichment tables - i know VT says that the ECU uses the lowest value between enrichment and air fuel tables, but i suspect these tables might've been causing the car to run quite lean up until ~5,000 rpms as other rx8 owners have noted.
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